Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: rcktpwrd on September 24, 2007, 12:28:22 PM
looks like a sweet project!
I have read about the details over at www.realoldspower.com 8)
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on September 24, 2007, 07:33:53 PM
Hey Joel -
Thanks for your comments - we're excited about the Olds, and we're trying to have it finished for the Year One Experience next spring. I hope. We'll keep you posted!
- KO
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: CanAmChris on October 05, 2007, 01:24:37 PM
My wife loves this car, she had a 70 Cutlass when we met, it was a big mistake selling that car.. :-[ I cant wait to see the final results.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on October 05, 2007, 01:34:23 PM
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on December 10, 2007, 12:18:36 PM
We're moving forward on the "S71" project... we'll be posting some bodywork beginnings next week, but right now we're gathering ideas about chassis mods. We'd like to stiffen the original Olds chassis, so we'll probably be boxing the frame and adding some cross bracing, similar to the chassis sold by RS Performance.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on December 12, 2007, 10:43:28 AM
We're beginning the bodywork on our 1971 Olds project, and we're trying to save all the original steel if possible. This time, we're patching the lower fenders, as these cars - all GM "A" bodies in general - seem to have rusty holes in their fender bottoms. The design allowed them to hold leaves, pine needles, and dirt at the bottom of the fenders, and this debris eventualy rusted them from the inside out. We obtained some patches from YearOne, and today we're cutting out the old and installing the new. We fabricated new supports to replace the rusty backside braces to keep the rust away for good.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on December 12, 2007, 08:40:35 PM
Just got home from the shop - we blew apart the original chassis tonight, and fixed some bodywork issues. We have the opportunity to put in some long days on this car this month, so we're trying to get as much done as possible.
- KO
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on December 13, 2007, 02:24:45 PM
Update from the shop... oh, man... it's getting ugly. Just cut out the rear wheel tubs and 1/2 the trunk floor. Today's all about drilling spotwelds, plasma cutting, and air chiseling the old panels out. No more rusty-crusty for this car! Video to come soon...
- KO
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on December 18, 2007, 12:22:13 PM
Thoughts on disassembling the body on our 1971 Olds "S71" project. This time, it's spotweld separation 101. We'll feature more on this topic when we begin the reassembly of this car using an HTP QuickSpot II spotwelder. This time, we take a look at some of the disassembled panels and see how they came apart.
Next video - sparks fly!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on December 19, 2007, 12:37:50 PM
The cutting tools are out, and the gloves came off... it's time to cut out the rusty steel in the back of the car and get ready to install the new panels. Here's how we cut the rear wheelhouses and trunk floor sections out.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: old44272 on December 20, 2007, 11:52:20 AM
Hey Kevin, this is great! I've gotta a 72 Cutlass S that my grandfather bought when it was almost new. It needs all the same components replaced that you are replacing. I'm thinking of doing the 442 clone thing. Not to sell as a fake of course, just because the looks are killer. And I want a driver anyway, not a trailer queen original resto your afraid to get dusty! Besides, I told my kids the car is not to leave the bloodline! So watching you guys do the S71 is sort like outlining my future restoration exactly. This is awesome!! i hope you'll be selling a full length DVD of the S71 job when you're done (Like the Royal 69 Camaro). Will ya???? please please please?
Thanks...
Mike
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on December 20, 2007, 08:53:22 PM
Hey Mike,
You bet we'll make a DVD of the whole thing, just for you. (And anyone else who wants to buy one!)
I'm glad to hear you've got a cool car you're planning on restoring... we've got a long way to go on this one, but you'll be able to watch the whole thing happen here.
Thanks for posting!
- KO
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: old44272 on December 21, 2007, 06:38:01 AM
Thanks Kevin! I wish you guys were in my neighborhood so I could come help with the S71! ;D But oh well, I'll just keep watching on v8tvshow.com!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Craig on December 25, 2007, 10:10:46 AM
Kevin, the Olds is looking good, brings back memories from the Buick! Nice job on smoothing that frame too. Just watched the suspension, spotweld andpatched fender segments, keep up the good work.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on January 10, 2008, 08:44:19 AM
S71 Update: Tonight, the guys were busy cleaning up the original chassis, grinding sloppy factory welds, adding new welds where needed, and planning for the addition of new steel to strengthen the frame.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on January 16, 2008, 09:12:06 AM
The V8TV crew has been making improvements to the S71's chassis, namely adding reinforcing steel in areas where the original frame was "C" shaped to completely "box" the design. This will help the chassis resist flexing and improve overall handling and traction. One design modification was the need to re-engineer the transmission crossmember, as it no longer will use the original mount holes because their access was closed off with the reinforcements. Once the chassis was welded solid and ground clean, it was treated to a single stage enamel paint coat in a satin-black factory appearing sheen.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on January 20, 2008, 12:59:44 PM
We just recieved an email informing us of the history of the stamped numbers and letters on our Olds firewall...
Hi! Thanks for a good show! Could you please relay this info to the team rebuilding th 442. He was wondering about some letters stamped on the firewall.. Here it is!
69 70 71 72 442 cutlass W-30 Firewalll detail stamps. This is the stamper to put the stamps on your fire wall. This would have been on every cutlass, 442, W-30.These were put there, buy fisher body and stamped on the fire wall closer to the pass side upper portion .These were an inspection stamp.The letters mean nothing to do with build codes.The letters were issued to a person who did the inspection. There were many stamps issued to 3 shifts of people 24 hours a day. So these would never be the same for all cars.They may be the same for a 6 hour shift but that is it.I have made them in 10 different combinations that i have seen. If you look at original cars you will see them every time.These are the details that separate the nice and correct cars from just ok cars.
Best regards Morten Herredsvela
- Thanks Morton!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on January 20, 2008, 03:45:56 PM
The follow up to the spot welding blog... here's some techniques on plug welding and using a commercially available electrical resistance spot welder on restoration projects.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Steve Firebird on January 21, 2008, 07:12:14 AM
That was a great blog. I called HTP for a price on the spot welder and was suprised. It did not seem to bad. I am going to have them send me more info. If I start a project that needs new metal down the road I will strongly consider it.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on January 21, 2008, 07:46:48 AM
They work really well, obviously. The machine says 2mm+2mm max panel thickness, but we've burned 3 panels together successfully also. It's a tremendous time saver!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on January 21, 2008, 11:26:01 AM
Here's the trunk floor, wheel house, and rear tail panel install on the S71 Olds. The sheetmetal work is nearly finished, as all we have left is the quarter panel repairs and the upper dash repair, and those are coming soon!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on January 31, 2008, 10:40:13 AM
We finally made up our minds on how we wanted to fix the quarter panels without destroying the original panels. Here's the approach we took to fixing the wheel lips and bottom edges.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on February 05, 2008, 02:13:42 PM
The original dash was pretty rusty, so we replaced it with a piece from a rust-free car from Desert Valley Auto Parts.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: chin0 on February 10, 2008, 10:54:43 PM
This is going to be awesome man. Glad to see someone appreciate an Olds haha. I also saw something on it over at ROP, I'm a member over there. I got a 1970 442, can't wait to see the final product, and see how it does at the track, turbocharged 350rocket eh? that would be a beast haha. It looks as if it is coming along great. Keep up the great work bud! I see you guys get a lot of parts at Yearone, if you can't find it there, you should be able to find it at OPGI, they have good parts, I have ordered a few times from them, if not, there are guys close by to me who specializes in Cutlass restoration located in Stillwell, Kansas, here is their website www.oldsparts.com
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on February 11, 2008, 04:54:17 AM
Hey Chino!
Sounds like you've got a very cool Olds. You mention in your "welcome" section post you've got a 455 with a 3:73 10-bolt rear axle.. how is that rear end holding up? Is it stock?
We're getting to the engine build pretty soon... we've decided to keep the original 350 with the car, but we're building a diesel block stroker turbo for the car. Should be about 428 cubic inches... Bill Trovato at BTR Performance is working the details now. Looking forward to this one!
Thanks for the encouragement and the oldsparts.com link... we'll check it out!
- KO
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: chin0 on February 11, 2008, 10:13:57 AM
The 442 I got is nothing special really haha, but thanks alot for the compliment. The rear end is practically brand new, the guys in stilwell at BAP rebuilt the rear end for me with a later year cutlass housing, and did a lil fabrication to get it to fit the 68-72 cutlass. The Eaton posi unit in it is brand new, so everything is holding up great. As for the upper control arms, I went with the e-brock fully adjustables and e-brock boxed lower trailing arms. I had a pair of ebrock antihop bar that I was going to install on it before, but it was for the correct year rear end for my 70 442, so with the new rear end from a later year, it didn't fit, and is just sitting around, practically brand new lol.
BTR Performance are very good, Bill Trovato knows his stuff, and one of the most trustworthy olds performance builder, you are in great hands. I was talking to Bill, and was going to ask him to build the BBO 496 stroker for me, but an emergency hospital bill came up, and shorted me a few grand, so now I just got a 1968 455 on the stand, and going to build it myself, and just take my time with it, never rebuilt an engine before, so it would be a cool learning experience. The 428 that you are going to build will be good for the car. The diesel block is a small block am I correct?
You are welcome on the encouragement, you guys are doing good things here, I love muscle cars, and you guys are making them nice and powerful, and as for the oldsparts.com guys, they are very reliable as well, they know their stuff. Have a good one KO
Chino
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on February 21, 2008, 05:56:57 PM
We got the body back from the media blaster yesterday... it only revealed a couple small surprises.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: sneezingduck on February 24, 2008, 12:41:34 AM
Not realy a 2 d ht, but i was cleaning out the garage and look what i found !!! ( gonna clean more often :-[ ) well ...been sittin here since 1989 got to get it out so i could install some earth heating eqp.
Not a bad car att all, hardly any rust att all, just had to change the starter, who i fixed 18 ysr agoe ( took me 2 days to finde it, cleaning again...)
awh....runnin...350,350 holley 600 vac. edelbrook valve covers, cal custom....
mmm...just love the early spring out door, mud qrawling, freezzing ( sweden- above the artic cirkle ) where did the damm nut go, nose dripping, neigbor yakking, car playing. so get out your fancy garage´s and get back to basic...
Just the ursual hod, fender, dorr, front HELL !! always yelling out my anger when i se ya "pros" putting newly painted car parts together without chiping the paint....
Aww....runnin..nothin fanzy 350 / 350 holley 600 vac. some edelbrook valve covers, cal custom air. just have to install the rear windows, crome trim..(.hmm dont realy know where to get the mounts ?? )...
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: newguy on February 24, 2008, 11:10:39 AM
Sneezingduck -
Are you in Sweden? I saw the plate on the front of the car, and the sticker on the back window, let alone the color of the houses...
I have relatives in sweden...
Stefan
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Bart on February 24, 2008, 11:44:36 PM
Sneezingduck
That looks like a fun project car. Say a family car that car 11's at about 120 through the traps. ;D
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on March 04, 2008, 10:31:55 AM
The S71 Olds gets a bath in PPG DP series primers... DP90 in black for the bottom, and soon DP60 in blue for the interior and exterior before filler work begins.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on April 16, 2008, 09:57:51 AM
We just finished installing the complete Global West Negative Roll suspension system on the S71 Olds... now it should handle both the highways and the road courses with ease. The Negative Roll system adds tall spindles and improved geometry to keep the tires planted, and the Baer Brakes will help haul it down from speed. Here's a clip on the front suspension install.
RELATED VIDEOS
1969 Chevelle SS496 Global West Suspension Install Part 1: http://v8tvshow.com/content/view/164/43/
1969 Chevelle SS496 Global West Suspension Install Part 2: http://v8tvshow.com/content/view/166/43/
Global West Suspension (http://www.globalwest.net/)
Baer Brakes (http://www.baer.com/)
YearOne (http://www.yearone.com/)
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: old44272 on July 21, 2008, 11:53:57 PM
Hey Kevin, what happened to this project? Is it just on the backburner for a little bit or what. I'm enjoying the other stuff, but I'm the guy with the 72 Cutty and I was way into this! Your killin me :-\
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on July 22, 2008, 07:29:30 AM
The Olds is alive and well, just moving kinda slowly. It's getting bodyworked now, which always seems to take time. We changed directions a little on the engine and have been chasing parts there, too. We'll be posting new videos on the Olds soon. Thanks for hangin' in there!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: old44272 on July 22, 2008, 11:58:02 PM
Ok great! Thanks. Can't wait to see more! You guys (and girl) are awesome.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on July 23, 2008, 07:15:36 AM
Thanks for that! We are really excited about this car and hate that it's taking so long, but the Olds world is definitely different from the Chevy world!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: 70OldsSportsCoupe on July 23, 2008, 08:03:12 AM
The Olds is alive and well, just moving kinda slowly. It's getting bodyworked now, which always seems to take time. We changed directions a little on the engine and have been chasing parts there, too. We'll be posting new videos on the Olds soon. Thanks for hangin' in there!
Please tell me that you're sticking with Olds power. Way to many small-block Chevies and LSx out there already (not that the LSx engines aren't a heck of a powerplant...) I'm already appropriating ideas for my own '70 Cutlass S from S71, I was hoping to steal a few tricks from the turbo Olds 350 as well. :)
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on July 23, 2008, 08:14:35 AM
I'll let the cat out of the bag... we're going to be building an Olds Diesel-block based 428 cubic inch stroker. We have the block, still looking for a clean Olds 330 forged crank to offset-grind and resize for Chevy rods, going to use big block Chevy rods to make the stroke. The diesel block handles all kinds of overbore, so it should be a fun project. Then it gets the turbo. Olds power!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: 70OldsSportsCoupe on July 25, 2008, 01:58:26 PM
Yeah, that'll work! Can't wait to see it. I've been on a lookout for a 330 crank myself. Gotta have forged stuff for boost, ya know. :)
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on July 25, 2008, 02:29:49 PM
Those 330 cranks are gettin' a little hard to find. It's cool that Olds used forged stuff from the factory, and I bet they built zillions of 'em... I wonder how many are being recycled these days... the yards are turning stuff over like crazy. It's a shame. Like the stolen manhole covers... they way almost 200 lbs, and thieves are getting $11 a piece from scrap yards. Seems easier to me to just get a job!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Dutch Olds on July 28, 2008, 10:14:57 AM
Hi guys,
Great work on the S71, I watched all the videos and I admire the balance you find between originality and streetability. A friend of mine here in Holland has a similar '70 Cutlass, only a 4-door. It's a bit of a rustbucket, but it's still great fun to drive. Your restoration is very inspiring, and maybe we will make our Dutch Olds into a project as well. When the DVD of this resto comes out, you have another buyer here!
Dean
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on July 28, 2008, 07:38:28 PM
Thanks, Dean! I imagine restoring an Olds in Holland is a bit of a challenge, especially a 4-door! Keep us posted on what you're working on!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Dutch Olds on August 01, 2008, 02:36:00 AM
Thnx for the quick reply Kevin! You'd be surprised how many parts we can get in Dutch shops, or by ordering directly from the US. The real problem is that there are no salvage yards for US cars over here. There's a crack in the windscreen, so we must start searching in the US for a good replacement screen.
We found a set of the original Cutlass sports wheels, that will certainly look a lot better than the rusted aftermarket chrome wheels it's on now. But first we have to get them straightened, balanced and coated. No chance for a rotisserie resto for us, just working on it bit by bit.
Keep those vids comin'!
Dean
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on October 02, 2008, 08:52:11 PM
Quick update on the Olds - we got the paint in, and we're going to be shooting this one a killer color from the DuPont Hot Hues (http://pc.dupont.com/HotHues/webengine/hothues/Controller) line. It's called Warp Speed Blue, and it's very close to the original color but tuned up a bit in the intensity department. Check it out!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Steve Firebird on October 10, 2008, 07:43:53 PM
Wow looks like a lot of metalic or what ever it is in the paint shouild look great. I went to the link and the colors look good.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: rallye bob on November 11, 2008, 02:47:20 PM
Let's get it on.......... :o
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: MarMar on November 17, 2008, 09:10:05 PM
Just wanted to say,
I have been following this build and really looking forward to see it with color
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on November 19, 2008, 05:09:15 PM
It's been a while since we posted an update on the S71... it's getting pretty complex, and we want to do this one right, so it's taking some time. Anyway, here are some shots of the body going back on the chassis... a nice turning point!
Click on the little pics to see the big ones!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on November 19, 2008, 05:17:39 PM
The engine choice has changed a little too. It's still an Olds motor, but we've decided to run a 350 Diesel block based engine. We sourced a DX block from a running 1981 Olds 98 Regency and pulled it apart to see what's inside. These pics show the internals of the Diesel block and the large webbing and overall meatier guts of this block. It's also a factory roller lifter setup. The next post we'll show you the stock 350 block for comparison. The new recipe as outlined by Bill Trovato at BTR Performance calls for an offset ground Olds 425 crank, high-strength big block Chevy rods, custom pistons, MAHLE coated bearings, and a trick Comp valvetrain to build a 428 cubic-inch Olds stroker. We're running Edelbrock aluminum heads and intake, an MSD ignition, and a complete FAST EFI system on the car.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on November 19, 2008, 05:22:45 PM
Here you can see the smaller internal webbing supporting the main caps and the otherwise less meaty block of the original 350 engine from the S71 Olds.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: joe on November 30, 2008, 09:37:10 AM
so kevin, on the S71 , did you fab a new frame or did you purchase it, like it is in the picture on page one?.....that frame looks a lot better than the 40 year old stock frame....also in the artist rendering, it looks like oldsmobile rally wheels, but the look like 16 - 17 inch rally's, are you gonna have them special made or can you buy them like that?....I am interested in replacing my old frames, 1965 F85, 1972 442 so I was looking at some options at sema and on your projects......thanks keep the S71 updates coming, oh where are you located approx.?..joe in kansas
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on November 30, 2008, 10:54:46 AM
Joe,
We reinforced the stock frame on the S71, but we took some cues from the RS Performance frame in the picture on page 1. The S71 frame came out pretty nice after being reinforced and de-burred.
There are several great new frame options out there. The RS Performance frame is very nice, and so are the Art Morrison MAX G chassis. A '66 Chevelle recently won a Car Craft shootout on a Schwartz chassis. Add to that the wide variety of killer bolt-on parts from AirRide, Detroit Speed, Global West, and many others, and you have alot of choices.
The wheels in the picture are indeed oversize Olds Super Stock IIs. There is a company working to make these available in 17 and 18 inch diameters, but their progress has taken a while and the price is pretty high, as they are basically 1-offs. They do look cool, though. We'll post more info on them if they become available, but right now we're leaning in a different direction with the wheels on the car.
Our shop is in the midwest.
We've got much more to post on this car, so keep tabs on this thread for more info.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: old44272 on November 30, 2008, 04:53:23 PM
Kevin..
Nice nice nice. Love that color. You guys have been killing me on this build. Can't wait to start on my "S72" next fall. More more more PLEASE!!!!! Give us all the videos you can. If you guys were in Maryland you'd have to get the cops to evict me from your shop. Love all of the other stuff too, not just the S71. Great stuff.
Mike 72 Cutlass 87 Monte SS
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on November 30, 2008, 09:32:27 PM
Thanks Mike! Sounds like you have some cool cars yourself. I dig '87 Monte SSs also.
Here's a little more to tide you over... we built the dash face for the Auto Meter Ultralights we got from the YearOne Speed Shop catalog. This is a little slideshow of the process, it will have more detail in the video. Yes, the car had a Ford Rotunda tach installed since '71...
We used Blair Holcutters to cut the small gauge holes, and the good old HTP plasma torch to cut the panel and the two large gauge holes. We're going to put the Boost and Volt gauges in the dash where the ashtray used to be.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: old44272 on December 01, 2008, 08:45:54 PM
Kevin....
You ROCK
Thanks!!!!
Mike
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on December 01, 2008, 08:46:53 PM
Thank YOU Mike...whatcha think of the dash so far?
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: ZeGerman on December 02, 2008, 10:05:56 AM
Wow. I think the paint choice is fantastic! I have to say, the S71 is turning out to be my favorite of all the V8TV builds. I'm super excited about the current plans for the motor. It's going to be a beast, for sure, but I'm a bit curious to see how responsive the turbo'd V8 will be on the autocross/road course. Having a turbo'd 428 kick you in the pants at mid-corner might be a bit tricky. :o
Still, I love the idea of turbocharged muscle cars. The F-Bomb Camaro over at CarJunkieTV/Frieburger's Junkyard is a very cool (and expensive) example, although it was designed for an entirely different application.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on December 03, 2008, 08:20:11 AM
The turbo motor is going to be interesting in the autocross, but that's also why it's going to make torque naturally. May have to dial the boost back for those kinds of events.
Here's round 2 of the dash build... we were really impressed how the Eastwood wrinkle black powder matched the factory plastic dash pattern! As always, more to come!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: ZeGerman on December 03, 2008, 11:35:31 AM
Judging by the detail afforded in the photos, the Eastwood wrinkle finish is nearly a dead ringer for the original plastic dash surface. It's hard to believe that a spray-on finish can match so accurately. It looks like the gauge cluster is going to be awesome when finished. Nice work!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on December 03, 2008, 12:39:55 PM
The wrinkle is a powder coat, so it's not exactly "spray on", but it kinda is. The great thing is how hard it is when finished... the coating is like iron. And the texture even feels just like the original plastic.
Thanks again for the positive feedback!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: old44272 on December 03, 2008, 02:02:31 PM
Kevin...
The dash looks great! I'm curious how easy that dash comes out. Was it tough to remove without screwing up the dash pad? Or didn't you guys care cause you planned on replacing it anyway. My 36 year old dash pad is perfect, in fact the interior on my car is the best thing it has going for it.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on December 03, 2008, 02:39:08 PM
The dash wasn't really that hard to take apart, although the guys in our shop did the work. So for me, it was simple! Maybe I can get our man Nick to chime in on the dis assembly process. Actually, it's just a matter of squeezing in the car and disconnecting all the hang-ups, like the heater controls, the ductwork, etc. Our dash pad isn't cracked, but it looks pretty beat, so I think we're having Just Dashes restore it once we get everything mocked up.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on December 07, 2008, 06:53:50 PM
One of the major elements of this build is the turbo system, and we've been contemplating the best way to do the turbo install for many months. I think I finally have an idea of what we're going to do.
There are many factors that needed to be addressed in designing the system, including:
- It's an Oldsmobile, which means you can't just go buy pre-made turbo headers - It's going to be street-driven, so the headers need to be up to the task from a strength standpoint - It's a mechanical 4-speed, so the driver side has a linkage clearance obstacle - We didn't want to cut the car apart to accommodate the system - Olds manifolds don't fit if you point them forward to plumb the piping in front of the engine - Olds manifolds are not able to be flipped vertically to point the outlets up
So after much consideration, I think the latest idea is going to require the least amount of fabrication time and the most simplicity. Here's how it goes...
We're going to use the factory Olds exhaust manifolds, pointing in the factory direction. The passenger side manifold actually has a second port where the factory 2-1 exhaust system cross-over pipe would connect.
So we're going to run the exhaust out the driver side, under the motor like a factory 2-1 setup, then out the passenger manifold like a single exhaust car. Then, the plan is to have the exhaust make a 180 degree turn around under the car and come forward up the passenger side. We got this idea from the Turbonetics 2005 Mustang turbo kit...
Then, the turbo will live up on the passenger side of the engine bay, and dump it's exhaust back down the passenger side. This way we're clear of the clutch linkage on the driver side. The turbo will then pressurize an intercooler in the grille area, and force the charge up into the FAST EFI throttle body.
Word on the street is that the cast iron manifolds will handle the heat better than mild or stainless headers, and that the power levels are similar. We'll probably have them coated with some exotic high-temp coating and then milled flat for good sealing.
Another factor is that we already have these in-house, and the fabrication will be minimal. It's such a simple idea, we feel it would be almost irresponsible not to try them. If not, custom stainless headers are only a couple thousand dollars away....
Of course, this strategy might change if we have a bunch of problems, but that's the current plan.
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Post by: 2ndgenracer on December 09, 2008, 07:15:34 AM
I've tried a couple different places for coating turbo stuff. Hands down LO-KO! Black 2000
LO-KO™ Perfomance Coatings, Inc.
5340 West 111th Street Oak Lawn, IL 60453
Phone: 708-424-7863 Fax: 708-424-9378
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on December 09, 2008, 08:57:54 AM
Thanks for the referral. We'll be out in the shop today doing some mock-ups of this setup.. look for a video soon!
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Post by: ZeGerman on December 09, 2008, 01:04:30 PM
Thanks for the referral. We'll be out in the shop today doing some mock-ups of this setup.. look for a video soon!
Can't wait! The plumbing solution sounds like a good one, and hopefully it will all work as planned. I'll keep my fingers crossed in hopes that you don't need to have custom exhaust manifolds made after all...
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on December 09, 2008, 08:21:45 PM
We did some checking today, and it looks like the plan is going to work... I'll post the video tomorrow!
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Post by: Kevin O on December 10, 2008, 01:36:43 PM
OK, here's the video of what we found. It looks like we'll have plenty of room to make the turnaround under the car and have space to run the tubing up to the turbo and back on the passenger side. Cool.
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Post by: Kevin O on December 10, 2008, 02:15:07 PM
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Steve Firebird on December 10, 2008, 02:18:36 PM
I have always thought the rear mounted turbo from Squire was a cool set up. Would this work for your situation? http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/148_0502_rear_mounted_turbo/index.html (http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/148_0502_rear_mounted_turbo/index.html) Steve
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on December 10, 2008, 02:43:25 PM
The rear mount deal is a possible solution, but I don't want the system to get that complex. I think this is going to be a nice simple way to put the turbo up behind the core support without 9 miles of tubing. I always wondered about the safety of having the turbo exposed below the car and the oil system being that far away. On a race car it would be fine, but we want this one to be as reliable as possible.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on January 21, 2009, 04:53:21 PM
Good news from the UPS man... the turbo arrived today. Complete report to follow!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on February 25, 2009, 12:57:40 PM
Here's a quick shot of the Bullseye Power 76mm turbo we're installing on the S71. We're finishing up the mount now, more pics and video coming soon!
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Post by: ZeGerman on February 26, 2009, 03:50:59 PM
It should be interesting to see how you plumb everything.
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Post by: rallye bob on February 27, 2009, 03:20:21 AM
Let's go!!!!!! I need my Oldsmobile fix..... ;D
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Post by: Tj Michel on March 07, 2009, 07:25:21 PM
This is the site I've been looking for! Great info. We have an original 1970 Monte Carlo - never wrecked or repainted. We have a similar isue with our rear quarters in that the original is in near perfect shape EXCEPT for the wheel lip. You guys repaired the Olds lip with a TIG, would this repair be do-able on a '70 Monte with a MIG welder? Would having a 1/4" overlap behind the patched lip be prone to rust? What filler would you recommend. Also, how in the hell do you get the female to contribute? My wife says she is interested in me & my son's cars, but as of yet she has not contributed. Even my then 6 year old daughter helped tear down the engine. How long has this site been here?
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on March 08, 2009, 11:28:10 AM
Hey Tj -
Thanks for stopping by. V8TV has been around since 2004.
As for your quarter panel questions, yes, you can repair them with a MIG. Just take your time, go SLOWLY. I recommend getting some extra steel of the same gauge to practice / set up your welder with. Use a high heat setting, and burn individual tacks quickly, then let the panel cool for a full second (or more) between tacks. This way, the high heat will burn both panels cleanly, with less grinding later. The pause time will let them cool to reduce warpage. You'll also have to jump around the panel while welding to keep the heat out of any particular spot to minimize warpage.
The lip inside the quarter is sealed with seam sealer to keep the moisture out. We're going to be posting that in a the final bodywork video coming soon.
Kelle has some tips for getting women involved in these builds.. I'll defer to her for that advice.
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Post by: Kevin O on March 27, 2009, 10:20:49 AM
S71 Dash Pad Resto
We had the dash pad restored by Just Dashes... man, it came out nice!
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Post by: TheBigO on May 04, 2009, 01:54:04 PM
I am very impressed with the recent buildup of the Turbocharged 350 SBO.....I am sure it will workout great in the current budget the company has.....I build a D.I.Y. 455 Turbocharged BBO( super low budget lots of use stuff and zip ties :D....and it work out great for me checkout the vid.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on May 04, 2009, 05:24:21 PM
Your Olds looks cool and is inspiring. We're certainly not on an unlimited budget by any stretch, so we're playing it safe to make sure we do this one right the first time.
The latest news is that the turbo mount is all fabbed up, and we've got a pretty trick scheme to finish the exhaust plumbing. We're waiting on a few parts and a suitable intercooler, but we've got some video to post soon.
The engine is going to be built by Bill Trovato at BTR Motorsports, and we're obtaining the last few items to finally put this thing together. Olds parts don't fall off trees like Chevy stuff does, so it's taken some time.
We're also installing an ISIS wiring system in the car, which is a new experience, but extremely cool. The ISIS system is going to allow for lots of trick features beyond the original design, and it's lighter and safer as well. Cool stuff.
Thanks for posting the video!
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Post by: Kevin O on May 20, 2009, 10:17:29 AM
Our Olds is going to be powered by a 400 + cubic inch, FAST fuel injected , Bullseye Power Turbocharged Olds engine built by BTR Performance (http://http//www.btrperformance.com) , which means it's going to make alot of power. It also means the car is going to need a stout fuel supply to keep up with the engine. Today, we're looking at the components of our FAST Fuel System (http://fuelairspark.com/) including the fuel pump, filters, regulator, y-block, and all the included wiring and fittings. We're also taking a sidebar to explain the mystery behind AN and NPT fittings and what those "dash" numbers mean.
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Post by: ZeGerman on May 24, 2009, 05:32:18 PM
Great video. Plenty of useful info for those of us (myself included) who aren't terribly familiar with AN fittings.
Also, I can see some pretty nice looking brakes underneath those Cragars!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on May 25, 2009, 02:04:31 PM
Glad you dug it, Ze... the Cragars are purely roller wheels while we put this car together. It's running Baers all around with a Hydroboost from Hydratech. It definitely will NOT have a stopping problem!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: ZeGerman on May 25, 2009, 03:55:25 PM
Yeah, I figured the Cragars were just for moving it around the shop.
Just out of curiosity, which Baer kit did you choose? I know the "Serious Street" kit is the one that Baer recommends for muscle cars if stock wheel size is being retained. And although I presume you'll eventually choose a larger wheel size for the S71, I don't imagine the Cragars that are temporarily on it are much larger than stock, yet the Baer brakes still fit underneath.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on May 25, 2009, 06:42:13 PM
I don't recall exactly what Baer kit this is off the top m of my head, but the 15" wheels only fit over the rotors & calipers in the rear, the fronts to not clear the calipers with 15". But we're running larger wheels on this car, so it won't be a problem. I think these are 13" rotors in front and 12" in the rear.
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Post by: Kevin O on June 05, 2009, 09:40:33 AM
We began the turbo install process. The turbo itself is a Bullseye Power (http://www.bullseyepower.com) unit, and we got ours through Outlaw Turbo Motorsports (http://www.outlawturbomotorsports.com). Our buddy Brett Evans came by to give us a hand with the install and system design. This is the first of several videos on the turbo install.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: ZeGerman on June 05, 2009, 08:58:49 PM
Ah, the S71 project marches on! Nice video on the TC. I'm very eager to watch subsequent videos that cover the installation and fabrication. Keep up the good work!
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Post by: Kevin O on June 06, 2009, 08:53:54 AM
Thanks ZE... we've made alot of progress on this car, just gotta get the videos to catch up!
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Post by: Kevin O on June 16, 2009, 09:38:15 AM
Lots going on with the S71 these days. We're still building the turbo system, and while the parts trickle in for that project, the bodywork is nearing completion. We hope to spray out a test panel of the DuPont Hot Hues Warp Speed Blue later this week. We'll post pics and video when they happen.
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Post by: Kevin O on June 27, 2009, 07:46:03 AM
We decided to do a test panel on the S71 Olds project to see how the Hot Hues Warp Speed Blue (http://www.hothues.com) would look on a full-sized panel rather than just a small chip. It looks killer. We also used the 3M Trizact System (http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3MAutomotive/Aftermarket/Solutions/Paint_Dept/Paint-Finish-Clean-Deliver/) to polish and buff the panel to an insane shine.
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Post by: Kevin O on October 06, 2009, 07:16:42 AM
Here's a quick update on the Olds as we test fit the huge Bell intercooler in the nose of the S71...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyLPxMECZPc
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Post by: Kevin O on November 19, 2009, 07:15:03 PM
Painting the body parts of our 1971 Olds "S71" project in DuPont Hot Hues Warp Speed Blue. It's the little things that make it nice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm1mLNPTjtE
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Post by: redneck on January 19, 2010, 02:25:34 AM
Hi Kevin and all at the shop. Have been folowing the progress of the olds for some time now and shes looking mighty fine. spotted on U Tube your video on making use of what you have re holding the crossflow pipe from a magna flow exhaust whilst it was cut and welded and metion was made of the cutlass. Do you intend to run all the exhaust from the turbo down one side of this system? If so will that not create massive back pressure?
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on January 19, 2010, 07:16:42 AM
Hey Redneck,
The S71 exhaust comes out of the turbo and splits at the MagnaFlow "X" into dual mufflers with dual outlets, 3" tube. It's a pretty typical way to exit a single turbo exhaust system, and while there will be some back pressure, the MagnaFlow mufflers are a straight-through design which will keep the path as open as possible. If this were a race car and not intended for street use, we may run something different, but we think this is the best mix for packaging, power, and sound levels. We'll have more on that posted here soon!
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Post by: Kevin O on January 23, 2010, 12:22:54 PM
Today we're out at BTR Performance (http://www.btrperformance.com)in Rochester, NY shooting the build of the S71's 422 cubic-inch stroker fuel-injected Olds engine... it's looking good so far!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on January 27, 2010, 05:17:02 PM
The Olds 422 for the S71 is going to be a killer engine. Trovato and crew did a really nice job with the build, and we just have to do the details when the engine is shipped back to our shop. Things like an alternator bracket, the fuel rail hold-downs, the throttle body intake, valve covers, and some paint and powdercoating. Looking forward to it!
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Post by: CanAmChris on February 01, 2010, 08:48:24 AM
I can't wait to see this project on the road!!
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Post by: Kevin O on February 22, 2010, 06:00:47 AM
The S71's engine is back in our shop after the build at BTR Performance. We were worried about hood clearance with the intake elbow, but it looks to be OK. Here's a camera phone snap.. it's going to be cool. This is the mock-up engine with the new intake in place. Still have about an inch of clearance on top!
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Post by: CanAmChris on April 14, 2010, 06:44:17 AM
Kevin,
Any idea when the video of the engine build will be ready? I am looking forward to see how this one was put together.
Chris
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71" Engine Build Part 1
Post by: Kevin O on June 22, 2010, 02:46:48 PM
This is the first in a multi-part series covering the custom stroker engine build performed by master engine builder Bill Trovato at BTR Performance for our turbocharged 1971 Olds project called the "S71". Although this video series features and Olds engine, the valuable, race-proven techniques shown by Trovato apply to any performance engine build.
www.btrperformance.com
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71" Engine Build Part 2
Post by: Kevin O on June 24, 2010, 08:10:07 AM
Part 2 of the S71 Olds engine build at BTR Performance.
www.btrperformance.com
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Post by: Steve Firebird on June 24, 2010, 05:52:05 PM
This is great stuff! It makes me want to start working on the stroker motor I have sitting here for the 68. 467 CI of Pontiac power with a big a$$ roller cam in it. I got it from a guy who put the short block together 10 years ago and never finished it. I figure I will need to take it alll apart clean it hone and re ring it before I can use it. These videos are just the ticket.
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Post by: CanAmChris on June 25, 2010, 07:01:36 AM
Kevin,
How much for the video plus shipping? This is too good not to have as a reference for future builds.
Chris
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Post by: Kevin O on June 25, 2010, 07:39:15 AM
Chris,
We feel the same way, nobody should build or have an engine built without watching this series. Next update later today!
You can order one here : www.v8tvshow.com/enginedvd (http://www.v8tvshow.com/enginedvd)
The shipping depends on the delivery address, but the average total is around $32.00 shipped.
Thanks!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71" Engine Build Part 3
Post by: Kevin O on June 25, 2010, 12:22:40 PM
Part 3 of the S71 Olds engine build at BTR Performance, covering the custom rear seal and installing the JE Pistons on the Lunati big block Chevy H-Beam connecting rods.
www.btrperformance.com
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71" Engine Build Part 4
Post by: Kevin O on June 28, 2010, 06:25:00 PM
Part 4 of the S71 Olds engine build at BTR Performance, covering the install of the piston rings and the pistons and rods on the crankshaft.
www.btrperformance.com
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71" Engine Build Part 5
Post by: Kevin O on July 02, 2010, 06:13:09 AM
This is part 5 in a multi-part series covering the custom 422 cubic-inch stroker engine build performed by master engine builder Bill Trovato at BTR Performance for our turbocharged 1971 Olds project called the "S71". This time, Trovato installs the custom grind Comp camshaft and Edelbrock aluminum cylinder heads. Although this video series features and Olds engine, the valuable, race-proven techniques shown by Trovato apply to any performance engine build.
www.btrperformance.com
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71" Engine Build Part 6
Post by: Kevin O on July 06, 2010, 07:34:45 PM
This is part 6 in a multi-part series covering the custom 422 cubic-inch stroker engine build performed by master engine builder Bill Trovato at BTR Performance for our turbocharged 1971 Olds project called the "S71". This time, Trovato shows us how to properly torque the Edelbrock aluminum heads using ARP fasteners and molybdenum lube.
www.btrperformance.com
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71" Engine Build Part 7
Post by: Kevin O on July 12, 2010, 04:27:34 PM
This is part 7 in a multi-part series covering the custom 422 cubic-inch stroker engine build performed by master engine builder Bill Trovato at BTR Performance for our turbocharged 1971 Olds project called the "S71". This time, Trovato installs the roller lifters, Comp Cams (http://www.compcams.com)pushrods and rocker arms, and shows us how to adjust them.
www.btrperformance.com
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71" Engine Build Part 8
Post by: Kevin O on July 16, 2010, 04:39:31 PM
This video outlines the choice of the Edelbrock intake manifold and the installation of the FAST fuel injectors and rails.
www.btrperformance.com
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: CanAmChris on July 26, 2010, 06:47:16 AM
This is such a good series, I am looking forward to the next installment.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71" Engine Build Part 9
Post by: Kevin O on July 27, 2010, 07:16:40 AM
In this chapter, Trovato takes us through the process of installing the MSD Pro-Billet distributor that has been modified by FAST to work with the FAST XFI fuel injection system.
www.btrperformance.com
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: CanAmChris on August 20, 2010, 09:34:19 AM
Bring on the 10th Installment ;D
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Post by: Alain V. on August 22, 2010, 12:00:00 PM
Yeah! I'm dying to see this engine (& car) come together (especially since it is sooo similar to one I'm doing). Planning to buy the full video too.
One question though, what ever happened to the wheels for this car? I think I remember seeing something about 17" versions of the Olds Rally wheels being made? any info on those?
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on August 22, 2010, 03:22:40 PM
The wheels have been like chasing a ghost for this car. The designs were made, but then the manufacturing never came through. The plans were sold, then the new company didn't make them either. They would be cool, but I guess they take so much billet material to create the deep face details that they would be outrageously expensive to make. That's the last I heard, anyway.
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Post by: rallye bob on October 31, 2010, 05:58:09 AM
Two long months and no action....... :( What's up Kevin?
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on October 31, 2010, 05:48:29 PM
We've been doing lots of work on the car, there are many more updates to come after SEMA.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: CanAmChris on January 14, 2011, 07:44:23 AM
How is this project coming along?
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on January 14, 2011, 08:22:11 AM
It's coming along well, Chris... finishing up the plumbing now. We need to have the turbo parts high-temp coated, and finalize the wiring, and those areas will be completed. We're cutting more video now with pics to come.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: rallye bob on March 05, 2011, 06:46:50 AM
We need more info/videos on the Cutlass........ Almost spring... :o
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on March 05, 2011, 10:07:47 AM
In the shop with the car today, Bob!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on May 18, 2011, 08:40:05 PM
We've been really working a lot of hours on the S71, and we hope to have it FINISHED soon. We're cutting hours of video and thousands of photos, so if you're interested in this car, keep your eye on this forum 'cause it's all coming!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on May 22, 2011, 08:20:18 PM
We posted the basic install plan for the Bullseye Power (http://www.bullseyepower.com/racing.asp) turbo install on the S71, and here's some of the photos of the process.
After evaluating the underhood location options, Brett Evans from Outlaw Turbo Motorsports (http://www.outlawturbomotorsports.com) determined the best locale for the 75MM turbo would be on the passenger side behind the headlights.
As shown earlier, here's the beast. These things are not light, thanks the large cast iron turbine housing. Because of this, we're going to build a frame-mounted stand to support the weight. Some choose to mount the turbo on the exhaust manifold, but we wanted to "over do" it, so on the frame it goes.
One of the features we liked about the Bullseye Power unit is the extended tip design of the turbine. This effectively increases the size of the impeller while keeping the same external dimensions, allowing more power from the same size unit as other 75s.
One tip Brett shared is the "knife edging" of the flange, smoothing the entryway for the exhaust. This was smoothed with a die grinder lubricated with some Tap Magic cutting foam.
Brett and Nick worked up a temporary base using some 4" square tube steel to help conceptualize the mount base. The turbo will be pitched slightly for packaging reasons, and angled so ease the piping in & out of the turbo.
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Post by: Kevin O on May 22, 2011, 08:34:06 PM
Construction starts on the mount. Brett cuts 3 sides from some sheet stock, and hammers them to form the desired shape. Then they are tack welded together for test fitting.
Brett spent some time welding the piece, especially joining the oval tube to the turbo flange. Much time was spent filling the gaps and filing the edges for a smooth airflow path into the turbo.
Brett uses a 5" v-band flange and section of 45-degree mandrel bent tube to aim the exhaust out of the turbo. He then welded it to a 5" to 3" stainless cone to taper the exhaust to the downpipe which connects to the MagnaFlow (http://www.magnaflow.com) exhaust system.
Next, Brett fabled up a new cross pipe which connects the driver side exhaust manifold to the passenger side to supply to the exhaust to the turbo. The Olds 350 has a provision in the passenger side manifold to connect the two sides together for the single pipe exhaust cars which we took advantage of.
Then the big brown truck delivered the giant Bell (http://www.bellintercoolers.com/) intercooler. We were impressed with the quality of the fabrication, and they are known to offer substantial air charge cooling with minimal pressure loss.
We had to cut the main vertical support apart to accommodate the intercooler, and here, Brett contemplates the entry / exit strategy. The intercooler fit better inverted, so he decided to move the turbo outlet to match.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on May 22, 2011, 09:30:51 PM
The boost levels will be controlled with a Turbosmart (http://www.turbosmartonline.com/) Pro-Gate 50 wastegate. This is plumbed inline with the turbo on the exhaust side, and dumps extra exhaust heat & pressure at a pre-determined pressure level.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on May 22, 2011, 09:59:30 PM
Meanwhile, Nathan jumped on the S71's bodywork. Our buddy Mark Poole roughed-in the body filler on the car, and Nathan completed the process of refining all the surfaces to make for a super-straight finish. Here, the S71 is all masked off ready for a coat of Standox sprayable polyester filler.
Once hardened, Nathan sprays out a layer of guide coat before block-sanding the S71 straight. The guide coat allows him know easily spot the low and high spots while sanding, as the guide coat comes off revealing the white polyester.
We added a reproduction rear wing from YearOne (http://www.yearone.com). It's a fiberglass piece that was pretty nice out of the box, but we also bodyworked it and sprayed it with polyester to perfect it's shape.
The backside of the rare and fragile S71 OAI hood was stripped using an Eastwood (http://www.eastwood.com) dual blaster, which blasts media from two different tanks allowing an abrasive media in one tank, and a less abrasive baking soda on the other side. The soda blasting revealed the original fiberglass, and the abrasive aluminum oxide quickly stripped the rust from the steel understructure.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on May 23, 2011, 04:31:57 PM
Come to think of it, the video we did on the Eastwood Dual Blaster shows stripping the delicate S71 hood. Cool tool, we recommend it.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on May 23, 2011, 07:04:40 PM
After the poly was sanded, Nathan applied several coats of DuPont Hot Prime and wetsanded that down in preparation for color. If you watched the video on the fender test panel a few pages back, you know the color is DuPont Hot Hues Warp Speed Blue, an awesome mix of vibrant blues with pearls and metal flake elements that really light up in the sunlight.
This time, Nathan sprayed color on the inside and outer surfaces of the parts, and then checked them with a 3M Sun Gun to make sure the coverage was complete and the pattern looked good.
Once blacked-out, the body shell was sprayed in Warp Speed Blue, and the jambs cleared. The outside will receive another several coats of color and clear once the car is reassembled to minimize the risk of chips and metallic pattern mis-matches.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on May 23, 2011, 07:21:41 PM
Back on the frame, the S71's interior was wrapped in Hushmat, a temperature and sound blocking product designed to deaden the noise and make the car more enjoyable to drive.
We're going to be running some Glasstek fiberglass bumpers on this car, so Nathan spent some time doing some bodywork on them to make them fit nice and tight.
The front bumper was very lightweight, and more of a race car part than a street car piece, so Nathan made a mold from the original steel bumper's turn signal housings and made 'glass versions for the new bumper.
We utilized a MagnaFlow (http://www.magnaflow.com) 3" stainless dual exhaust system, but removed one leg of the "X" pipe to accommodate the single exhaust of the turbo but keeping the dual mufflers and dual rear tips.
Great job guys! I really like your way of detailing everything.
And as we would say in our shop: "Leck mich am Arsch ist das ding geil!" ;)
Greetings Robert
Great line! Thanks! Ha!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Alain V. on May 25, 2011, 06:37:58 PM
WOW! I been waiting for more news on this project, and it is looking great! Looking at the pics, I do not see much room on the pass side for an A/C compressor..... Is this car not going to have A/C, or are you locating the compressor on the other side? Can't wait to see more!
Good call on the fiberglass bumpers. I am planning the same body mods for my Olds. I plan to paint them the body color. I've also been toying with the idea of building a lightweight rad core support, as the original old GM unit seems to weigh a ton.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on May 25, 2011, 09:46:39 PM
Alain,
This car is not running A/C at this point. A compressor could be added to the driver side with a custom bracket, but we're out of space on the pass side.
The bumpers will be painted in ALSA's MirraChrome (http://www.alsacorp.com/products/mirrachrome/mirra_prodinfo.htm)for a 70 - 80% reflectivity, they should look like aluminum when done.
Here's a demo of the product...
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Alain V. on May 26, 2011, 04:42:09 AM
Looks interesting. I must be living under a rock (or in Kansas ;D ) because I've never heard of this process before.
One more question. Are you guys going to use a flex pipe somewhere or a softer mount for the turbo to accomodate for engine movement? It seems that even if you use solid engine mounts, since the turbo is mounted to the frame, there is going to be some movement which could cause trouble with cracks in your exhaust feed tube???
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on May 26, 2011, 06:49:48 AM
The engine and turbo are all solid mounted to the frame, so we're not anticipating very much movement. There is a very slight amount of "give" in the exhaust system as well, so we hope to not have any issues. The transmission is on a urethane mount to protect the aluminum case.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on June 01, 2011, 04:03:15 PM
We decided to run an Edelbrock intake elbow on the EFI system, so some preparations needed to be made to make sure it cleared the hood.
We ended up milling the top of face off, and re-drilled it to accept a Holley (http://www.holley.com) LS style throttle body rather than the Ford style. This would gain us some room under the hood.
The BTR (http://www.btrperformance.com) built engine is running a magnetic pickup mounted on the crank snout for timing, which means it adds 3/8" of an inch to the front of the engine. We had to re-work all the brackets to extend the pulleys forward 3/8" to make them line up. Here's the alternator bracket.
Hard to tell what happened, but it's been cut, stretched, welded, and ground back into shape.
Here, the BTR Performance (http://www.btrperformance.com) engine is installed. Note the reflector ring on the crank. The revised alternator bracket is installed, but that would eventually change again. Note the spacer on the steering pump bracket, and the beginning of the fuel system in place.
Thanks, Kevin for getting this project going again, for us Olds "junkies"... Love the detail. [/quote]OOH YA WE DO!! Luvin the build guys!
Title: Bullseye Power Turbo Video Install Part 2 - S71 Olds Project V8TV
Post by: Kevin O on June 24, 2011, 05:14:42 PM
In this chapter, we're fabricating the hardware and tubing needed to install the Bulleseye Power 75 MM extended tip turbo from Outlaw Turbo Motorsports into our 1971 Olds Cutlass S71 project. The install required mating the stock exhaust to the custom turbo mount, then sending the exhaust out the custom MagnaFlow 3" dual exhaust system. Other tasks include installing the large Bell intercooler in the nose of the car, installing a TurboSmart Race Port 50 wastegate, and fabricating all the tubing to manage the airflow. In the next chapter, we high-temp coat the parts, install the TurboSmart blow off valve, complete the tubing, and address the cooling and oiling systems.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on July 07, 2011, 05:59:51 PM
Skipping ahead a little, but we've got great news... the S71 LIVES! The turbo BTR 421 stroker came to life today powered by a FAST XFI EFI system. The ISIS Power systems are alive, too! More later!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on July 08, 2011, 04:43:08 PM
As promised, an iPhone video of the S71 Olds turbo running! Had a few issues with the communications cable (my fault) but we got it figured out and now she runs like a champ in the making. Thanks to the crew, BTR Performance, Outlaw Turbo Motorsports, Bullseye Power Turbos, Turbosmart, FAST, MSD, YearOne, BeCool, Royal Purple, and the many others who helped in this phase of the game!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs1zskD1Qbk
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Alain V. on July 09, 2011, 06:38:12 PM
Cool! 8)
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: CanAmChris on July 11, 2011, 12:04:22 PM
I need a DROOL emoticon
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: 70OldsSportsCoupe on July 22, 2011, 04:30:17 PM
This car is not running A/C at this point. A compressor could be added to the driver side with a custom bracket, but we're out of space on the pass side.
You'd have enough room on the passenger side for an AC compressor if you set it up like a factory Cutlass AC is done: the alternator goes on the driver's side, above the PS pump. The PS pump moves down a bit, looks like. I haven't looked closely at non-AC setups other than to note the alternator being where my AC compressor is. I live in TX, so the majority of Cutlasses I see have AC (including mine), as you might imagine... (http://wright-here.net/gallery/d/2039-2/DSCF0194.JPG) Not the best picture, but you can see the AC and alt, at least.
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The bumpers will be painted in ALSA's MirraChrome ([url]http://www.alsacorp.com/products/mirrachrome/mirra_prodinfo.htm[/url])for a 70 - 80% reflectivity, they should look like aluminum when done.
Neat idea. I'd like fiberglass bumpers myself, but since my car is black, I think body color is the way to go. Mirrachrome is a good alternative, especially if you're trying to stick to a stock look.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on July 22, 2011, 04:48:51 PM
Thanks for the pic. We're REALLY out of room on the pass side because of the turbo and tubing... the alternator barely fits on that side. The alternator rides right in front of the valve cover, so even if we moved it to the driver side, we'd still not have a deep enough hole for a compressor on the pass side.
What else have you done to yours?
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: 70OldsSportsCoupe on July 24, 2011, 01:26:11 AM
Well, just recently I came in to some cash, so I went through the whole suspension. Basic stuff, not major high dollar tubular everything (that's later) but polyurethane all around, Hotchkis springs and Edelbrock IAS shocks (in the "classic" grey rather than red.) Blasted and painted all the bits. Edelbrock tie rod adjusters, and just generally made sure everything was up to snuff. I installed the same Magnaflow exhaust (in 2.5") you guys used, but still duals all the way of course. I did have to shorten the mid section; apparently, Magnaflow never fitted it to a car with a TH400 (or 700-R4 or 200-4R) where the crossmember was in the rear position. It doesn't fit out of the box like that. I was a little disappointed in a $500 exhaust I had to modify so much to make fit, but everything else went together almost painlessly. Engine's mostly stock, but it was the 310-horse version to start with. Mild Mondello cam, Edelbrock intake, Hooker headers. Still running the Q-jet, until I build up my MegaSquirt EFI system. Installed a 200-4R same time as all the suspension work. Works OK, but I need to put in lower rear gears (highway-friendly 2.7x gears are a bit tall for the OD...) The irony is that I finally got all the mechanical bits up to snuff, and I can't afford gas for it. 10.25:1 factory compression says I must use Super Unleaded, and it only gets about 13-15 MPG (before, with the TH350 - haven't had a full tank to check mileage with the OD!) It looks rough, but the chassis and drivetrain are solid. I guess it's time to start on the bodywork now... :D Eventual plans are to turbocharge it, which is why I'm watching S-71 closely. I wanted to go with two smaller turbos tucked a bit more forward on each side to avoid having to ditch the AC and power steering (I live in Texas - AC is NOT a luxury!) and maybe two smaller or siamese intercoolers. I'll have to build a different engine, though. 10.25:1 + boost probably would not fare well. My car is raggedy-looking, but I love it. I've had it for around 15 years now. Someday it might look as god as S-71. I like the blue you're using, but mine was originally silver (black, now) and I think I'll go back to that eventually. Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71" Turbo Install Pt. 3 Video
Post by: Kevin O on August 16, 2011, 04:57:16 PM
In this chapter of our S71 Olds build, we are completing the install of our Bullseye Power 75 mm turbo, our fabricated turbo piping, Bell intercooler , and the Be Cool Radiator . All of the exhaust tubing and turbine housing parts were coated by Extreme Powder Coating using their 2200° high temperature black ceramic coating to keep them looking new. The charge air tubing was painted with Eastwood's high temperature Nano Ceramic engine paint, which is a very durable paint suitable for parts reaching regular engine temperatures. The be cool radiator module encompasses a pair of Spal electric fans, and Be Cool guarantees it to cool engines up to 1000 HP. We installed a Turbo Smart Reaceport blow-off valve inline with the air intake to help keep the turbo spooled-up during shifts. To help reduce underhood air temperatures and to make our turbo system more efficient, we installed a DEI Titanium Turbo Shield , which is made from lava rock strands that can withstand temperatures over 1800°. We also wrapped our turbo exhaust with DEI Titanium Exhaust Wrap to keep the hot exhaust gas in the tubing and underhood temperatures down. A K & N air filter and various silicone connectors from IntakeHoses.com completed the intake tubing. In the coming chapters, we will complete the ISIS Intelligent Multiplex wiring system install and FAST Fuel Injection installs before firing up the S71 Olds!
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: CanAmChris on November 07, 2011, 12:12:26 PM
It has been a long time since we heard anything about the S-71 project. How is this project progressing?
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on November 07, 2011, 03:36:45 PM
It's going well, the guys are working on some more details on it today - a nice break from the '68 Camaro.
We'll have more soon.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Alain V. on November 26, 2011, 10:24:41 AM
Anything new on the olds yet? I'd really like to know what wheels you ended up going with. I'm still hoping someone out there will eventually make either a steel or alum version of the SS II wheels in 17-18 inch. The original GM design just looks soo good on the cutlass that I just can't seem to bring myself to "like" anything else.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on November 26, 2011, 12:51:38 PM
Well... there has been more progress on the car, the glass is all in, it's a driver now, and it's going to get the final paint work done soon.
As for the wheels, we're eyeing the new Rushforth Salt Shakers... with the centers painted, they'd have a very similar vibe as the SSIIs. What do you think?
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Alain V. on November 26, 2011, 02:39:32 PM
Hmmmm, that looks like a pretty good choice. It will be interesting to see them painted & on the car.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Alain V. on November 27, 2011, 03:44:29 PM
Here is a very interesting wheel I came upon today while digging around on the "real olds power" site. It is an American Racing "Hopster" with a little gold paintwork and the center cap photo shopped with an olds emblem. I am definatley going to look closer at this as it really looks like a modern interpratation of the SSII. (http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee398/benzracer9/Olds%20stuff/new2.jpg)
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on November 27, 2011, 05:01:35 PM
Wow, I've been aware of the Hopster for many years, but someone extremely creative did some nice work on that one!
Thanks for the post... going to look into those also. However, last time I checked, they were limited in sizes. Lemme see..
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on November 27, 2011, 05:03:10 PM
It looks like they come in 17x9s... I was thinking 18's with the HUGE wheelwells of the '71, but these might work nicely with the right tire.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Alain V. on November 28, 2011, 06:54:29 PM
I think they can be custom ordered with varying backspace up to 20 inch wheels. I will send you a PM with a link to the site where I found this info, as it may be of help.
You are right about the fenderwells on the 70-72 Cutlass, they can take alot of tire,,,,if I remember right 27 inches tall seems to be the magic number to maintain a good look.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: 70OldsSportsCoupe on November 29, 2011, 04:45:33 PM
There was a guy who worked up custom billet SSIIs, but his site now appears to be defunct: http://www.Streetsmartclassics.com/ (http://www.Streetsmartclassics.com/) They were somewhere in the range of $800/each. Some of the pics are still on the web: http://rides.webshots.com/album/554545095yjMzcP (http://rides.webshots.com/album/554545095yjMzcP) Lots on Google images, though the original sources seem to have disappeared.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on November 29, 2011, 06:32:29 PM
The Street Smart Classic wheel design was sold to Bonspeed, and they have not chosen to produce the wheels.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: 70OldsSportsCoupe on November 29, 2011, 08:04:39 PM
Well, that's pretty stupid. Buy a design then not make it. It's got to be frustrating for the dude that designed it as well. I remember following the threads on Protouring and such. He put a lot of effort into that design.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: Kevin O on November 30, 2011, 06:01:55 AM
He did put a lot of thought and time into the design. I think the issue was that the face of the wheel would have to be made from a very thick piece of billet, making them a pretty expensive wheel to make, and Bonspeed has not seen the demand for them. Most Olds enthusiasts seem to be happy with the stock wheels or lower-cost aluminum aftermarket wheels, and $3200+ for a set of wheels might be a tough price point for that crowd. I'm just speculating here, but that's the vibe I got.
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: 70OldsSportsCoupe on November 30, 2011, 07:10:20 AM
Probably so. It might have worked better as a two-piece wheel. Ah, well. I like my Torq-Thrust IIs well enough, common as they are. The Hopsters that Alain posted would look great with body color (Like the later SS II) instead of gold, as well, I think. There are several nice interpretations of the SS I, AKA the Magnum 500 out there as well, like American Racing's AR500 and NewGen's Classic Series Five Hundred (I particularly like that one.) I went with the TT IIs over them because a) I like a more "open" wheel, because I like the mechanical look of the brakes, and hope to have something worth showing off eventually, and b) I found the TT IIs in 17x8 cheap, with tires at a swap meet. :) I need to have them blasted or something, though, as the chrome is peeling from the aluminum. For the moment, it fits the generally ratty look of the car...
Title: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S71"
Post by: CanAmChris on December 12, 2011, 01:10:18 PM
I saw the teaser for a Engine Start Video....can't wait to see it running.